Electric car thread

[californiagrown]

IANAE, but that sounds pretty ghetto, and kinda dangerous. Like burn the house down dangerous. But IANAE.

Plug a powerstrip into your laundry room's outlet. Now, plug your dryer and your EV charger into the powerstrip. Problem solved. I Am An Engineer.

*just not the kind of engineer you ever want working on or designing electrical shit*


that said, the amount of shit in my garage i have plugged into a single power strip might make you queasy.

[altacoup]

How ghetto would it be to run a home charger off a dryer outlet? I'm EV curious, but my house only has a 100A panel with no extra space for a new 220 circuit. Upgrading to a 200A panel on top of installing a home charger would be $$$$$ and not happening. But, my laundry room shares an exterior wall with my carport so I could theoretically use the dryer outlet since that is 220 and the dryer is only in use a few hours per week.

I would not use a dryer plug for an EV charger. At minimum you want that to be a twist lock recordable and cord for safety especially with kids and a dog in the house. By code the EV charger should be a dedicated circuit but as a home owner you don’t have to follow code. Although it could become and issue if/when you sell the house. Also you’ll need to know if your dryer circuit is straight two forty or two forty with a neutral. That would determine what nema receptacle and plug got the charging unit you will need. You could parallel up the two receptacles and never run the at the same time, maybe wire in a rated switch that only allows one receptacle at a time to be powered. Not up to code, but would function. Depending on what your of panel you have you might be able to find a couple twin twenty amp breakers. It’s two breakers that occupy the space of one and create space for another circuit that way. That’s probably your best option if you have a square d panel. If by chance your house has a federal pacific panel you should definitely get that replaced asap.

[Dantheman]

It is a 14-50 outlet. Panel was installed new in 2007 by a licensed electrician.

[bobz]

Worth mentioning that EVs need an EV-grade 14-50 outlet. Cheaper 14-50s, even with a 50 amp rating, have been known to melt and then blow due to EVs having continuously high current.

[toast2266]

For whatever it's worth, as a practical matter my car is programmed to only charge at night. So being on the same fuse as some other appliance (in my case a welder) hasn't been an issue at all. If I was on the same circuit as a dryer, I'd just program the car to not start charging until 11 pm. That's plenty of time to get a normal (20% up to 85%) charge done.

I'm sure that's not code compliant though.

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[Dantheman]

Worth mentioning that EVs need an EV-grade 14-50 outlet. Cheaper 14-50s, even with a 50 amp rating, have been known to melt and then blow due to EVs having continuously high current.

Well that's less than ideal.

[Edgnar]

Hey DTM- we charge our Ioniq 5 using a 110v level 1 slow charger. It’s slow, but we don’t drive that much. If you don’t drive a lot, I think it’s entirely possible to get by with out a 240v charger.

[mcski]

Our neighbor has that car and gets by with charging at the supermarket nearby.

[Beaver]

I discovered last week that I can't charge my car and ebike at the same time. I tripped the sub panel breaker in the main panel. The tie bar is shitty do only 1 leg went down. The lights in the garage still worked so I didn't discover the problem until I noticed the light in my freezer was out and my ice cream was a bit soft.

[dan_pdx]

Worth mentioning that EVs need an EV-grade 14-50 outlet. Cheaper 14-50s, even with a 50 amp rating, have been known to melt and then blow due to EVs having continuously high current.

Does that apply to standard outlets used for Level 1 charging too? We've been charging using an outlet that almost certainly was the cheapest outlet the HVAC company (it was installed as part of a heat pump install) could find.

[NBABUCKS1]

Does that apply to standard outlets used for Level 1 charging too? We've been charging using an outlet that almost certainly was the cheapest outlet the HVAC company (it was installed as part of a heat pump install) could find.

honestly I doubt it. I think a standard 120v outlet can handle ~15 amps continuously.

Also if it's a single outlet on the circuit you could always put the nutral on the second leg (double pole breaker) and get 3.2 kw @ 240v.

[nickwm21]

The EV grade 40a receptacle is just a rebadged industrial/hospital grade product, not a cheap consumer grade Home Depot outlet. It’s not code, just smart.

You could do the same thing for a 110v charger - just buy an industrial/hospital grade product from and electrical supply house and swap it out…

You don’t get a full 15amp out of a 15amp circuit. NEC limits consumer devices to 1500w, so less than 15amp…. If you have the right wire size you can go to a 20amp circuit / receptacle / charger and get more juice…


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[neufox47]

Sounds like the EX[emoji645][emoji646] roll out is a disaster. Bummer.


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[The Suit]

I am thinking to get an EV which will be based in Jackson Hole. It will be a second vehicle so unlikely to need to make long trips, and I'll be able to charge at home, so I'm not too worried about local charging infrastructure. I'm much more worried about service. If I limit myself to local dealerships, then I think my choices are a Ford Mach-E, a Chevy Equinox, or a Subaru Solterra. But even with local dealer support, I'm not sure I believe Teton Motors will have any idea what to do with an electric vehicle. They sell & service pickup trucks. Is it clearly better/necessary to have local support? If not, maybe I'd get a Rivian, but the nearest service center is in SLC.

[rod9301]

Sounds like you should delay getting an ev

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[toast2266]

I am thinking to get an EV which will be based in Jackson Hole. It will be a second vehicle so unlikely to need to make long trips, and I'll be able to charge at home, so I'm not too worried about local charging infrastructure. I'm much more worried about service. If I limit myself to local dealerships, then I think my choices are a Ford Mach-E, a Chevy Equinox, or a Subaru Solterra. But even with local dealer support, I'm not sure I believe Teton Motors will have any idea what to do with an electric vehicle. They sell & service pickup trucks. Is it clearly better/necessary to have local support? If not, maybe I'd get a Rivian, but the nearest service center is in SLC.

If it were me, I'd look at it like this:
100% of the issues a rivian needs will require a trip to SLC.
With a [dealership car], they'll be able to handle most problems locally. The majority of an EV isn't really any different than a modern ICE car. Maybe if you have a battery issue or something like that, it'll require a trip to a bigger dealer elsewhere, but then you're just in the same boat as with a rivian.

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[neufox47]

The Mach E has been pretty reliable after its first year or two. Most issues on an electric vehicle are minor and easy, or they are rare and significant. Dealer should have staff who were educated on them if they are servicing them.


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[NBABUCKS1]

I am thinking to get an EV which will be based in Jackson Hole. It will be a second vehicle so unlikely to need to make long trips, and I'll be able to charge at home, so I'm not too worried about local charging infrastructure. I'm much more worried about service. If I limit myself to local dealerships, then I think my choices are a Ford Mach-E, a Chevy Equinox, or a Subaru Solterra. But even with local dealer support, I'm not sure I believe Teton Motors will have any idea what to do with an electric vehicle. They sell & service pickup trucks. Is it clearly better/necessary to have local support? If not, maybe I'd get a Rivian, but the nearest service center is in SLC.

fuck it, chevy silverado ev - 440 miles of range. No range anxiety.

[plugboots]

Hey suit, you’re probably more in my predicament. I want to get an EV but it just isn’t practical for me in a small town located where I drive over mountain passes in the winter. I think it’d be easier for you because Jackson, of course, means there’s more EV cars and there’s a little bit more of a community. I doubt you could make it to Salt Lake in winter, but as a second car, maybe you never need to do that. Nonetheless, a lot of the EV problems are solved by getting a technician on the phone and he talks you through the resets.

[NBABUCKS1]

Also while it does not affect you - Jackson desperately needs more non tesla fast charging options for the tourons. Real tough to head out to the park(s) for the day and come back and get a charge. Non-Tesla has two plugs in the parking garage. On top of that it's free - so no incentive to get in and get out. A few more plugs and charge big money for idle fees. Or tesla could update their stalls to v3 or higher. My ioniq (and many others) can't charge on the v2 at whole foods.

[plugboots]

Suit, check out the new BMW IX.